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Terry Lovelace, retired lawyer and former Assistant Attorney General, never intended to share his story publicly. A discovery in 2012 changed his mind. He decided to speak for those willing to consider his experience — and those still reluctant to share their own.

In 1977, Terry and his friend Toby went camping at Arkansas’s Devils Den State Park. Terry planned to photograph wildlife. The nighttime sounds stopped, and lights appeared. Terry describes an encounter that left him struggling with PTSD for decades. He thought he saw children walking acoss the field. His friend told him to look again. They weren't children. To this day, he avoids open, grassy fields.

Incident at Devils Den, recounts that night and its aftermath. But at an editor’s suggestion, Terry left out parts of his personal history. Those details became central to his second book, Devils Den: The Reckoning.

Questions linger. Terry says the area where they camped was restricted. Why? Had something happened there before? One curious detail still puzzles him: he had planned the trip around taking photographs, yet left his camera at home.

https://www.terrylovelace.com/

Richard Gordon, energy healer, author, and founder of Quantum-Touch, joins me for a conversation from the archives that remains timeless. His book, Quantum-Touch: The Power to Heal, explores an approach that combines breathwork, body awareness, and focused intention. We also talk about Quantum-Touch 2.0: The New Human. And there's a bonus: Richard offers a demonstration and shares his perspective on why energy healing is accessible to everyone. It’s an invitation to rethink what might be possible. 

Learn more at quantumtouch.com.

Archive Interview for Book Two. June 2016.  A million thanks to my guests Scott and Suzanne Ramsey for joining me and giving me a great topic.

 A smoking gun surfaced during their media tour and press coverage for this book (Book 2). We talk about that during the interview, another witness in the case.  

This source adds yet another level of solid information and depth to the story. Suggests an answer to where the disc was taken.

https://www.theaztecincident.com/

Check out their website for details on the new book and the documentary.

Bruce Gernon explores the growing UFO connection, atmospheric anomalies, vortex theories, and the unanswered questions still surrounding the Bermuda Triangle.

This is Part One of my continuing conversation with pilot and Bermuda Triangle researcher Bruce Gernon, whose 1970 encounter with Electronic Fog, a vortex-like cloud tunnel, instrument disruption, and an apparent time-space displacement continues to raise questions more than fifty years later.

What has become increasingly apparent in Bruce’s ongoing research is the UFO connection — though exactly how that relationship works remains unresolved. Is the phenomenon atmospheric, electromagnetic, plasma-based, space-time related, or something being used by an unknown intelligence? Bruce continues exploring those possibilities through his YouTube channel, where he shares visual dramatizations and three-dimensional reconstructions designed to show more accurately what he experienced.

We will reconnect for Part Two to explore another fascinating development: Bruce is now working with AI to help investigate the science behind his experience. That research will be included in his next book and may offer new ways to examine the atmospheric, electromagnetic, and space-time questions that have surrounded his encounter from the beginning.

Website: Electronic Fog
YouTube: Beyond the Bermuda Triangle

Marine behavior specialist Anne Gordon spent more than twenty years training animals for film and television before the ocean's largest minds pulled her life in a new direction. In this conversation, she reframes where we actually stand in the story: humans have been around 50,000 to 70,000 years, while whales first emerged some 40 million years ago and dolphins around 10 million. Beside these elder species, we're the toddlers — and we have a great deal to learn.

Anne's invitation is simple and demanding: spend time with these animals, listen deeply, and observe them without superimposing our own beliefs and behaviors onto them. Do that, she says, and our relationship with them — and with the ocean, nature, and ourselves — inevitably deepens. You can meet them in the wild, or call them into your meditations and your dreams.

Known as a bridge between science and spirit, Anne is the author of the forthcoming Wisdom from the Sea: Lessons in Joy, Flow, Healing and Love from Dolphins & Whales (Nov 23, 2026).

"Once you look into the eye of a whale, your life will never be the same again. There is a deep honesty that exists there — one that will insist upon integrity from that moment on." — Anne Gordon

🌐 whaleanddolphinwisdomretreats.com

Kathleen Ready Dayan has always written about complicated human territory. Her earlier novel L.A. Ice explored addiction, recovery, love, and the difficult reality of getting sober and staying sober — a story readers with firsthand experience praised for its authenticity.

But there was another part of Kathleen’s life she initially kept out of her public story. As she became more open about her own experiences, she began talking about an unexplained encounter that challenged her worldview, spirit-guide contact, departed loved ones, past-life memories, mediumship, and the connection between sobriety and spiritual awakening.

Those experiences now inform Before We Were Born and Meet Me in Heaven, novels exploring reincarnation, soul connections, choice, and what may happen between lives. This time, we go behind the fiction: What did Kathleen experience, what did she initially resist — and what finally made her willing to talk about it?

Sometimes the bigger story begins when we stop asking, “Can this be real?” and start asking, “What is this showing me?”

Website: https://spirit-fiction.com/

The second book is coming — a perfect reason to revisit my conversation with Jes Kerzen.

Jes is a retired teacher and advocate for neurodivergent students. Her story began when Asher, an autistic six-year-old in her class, appeared to use telepathy to communicate with the one adult he believed could “hear” him.

Jes says she had no previous experience with telepathy. But her connection with Asher opened the door to years of exploring psi, consciousness, remote viewing and the dimensions Asher calls The Realms. Their extraordinary relationship became the book A Mind Beyond Words.

One of the most fascinating details Jes shared in our interview was Asher’s apparent ability to preview material in a book and then explain concepts she found difficult to understand.

His message is equally striking: “Don’t write me (and those like me) off, if we seem limited and inadequate in human terms… We have subtler things to share, which will benefit humanity.” — Asher, October 2023

Now their story continues with a second book, expanding their conversations about consciousness, psychic ability, neurodivergence and The Realms.

Revisit the interview and discover where this remarkable teacher-student relationship began. Sometimes the person we think needs to be taught is the one who came to teach us.

“Skeptics have dismissed the Triangle as a nonmystery, but they weren’t in my airplane when the fog surrounded my craft and I leaped ahead 100 miles. I documented what happened and memorized every detail of that flight.”
— Bruce Gernon

In December 1970, Bruce was flying from the Bahamas to Florida when he encountered a rapidly forming storm in the Bermuda Triangle. He describes entering a tunnel-like opening in the clouds before his aircraft became surrounded by a strange gray-white haze.

His instruments malfunctioned, visibility became distorted, and the airplane appeared to travel approximately 100 miles in far less time than should have been possible.

Bruce later coined the term electronic fog to describe the anomaly. The experience changed the course of his life and led to more than five decades of research into weather, electromagnetism, vortex formations, and possible distortions of time and space.

To show what he witnessed more accurately, Bruce created a three-dimensional reconstruction of the flight, including the cloud tunnel, electronic fog, and apparent displacement.

Watch the animated reconstruction

In our conversation, Bruce also shares more of his personal story, including a childhood UFO sighting and an unexplained voice he heard after the flight. The voice told him to remember the events of that day because they would be important for the world to understand in the future.

Bruce has also documented a curious hexagonal opening in storm clouds witnessed with his granddaughter. Could geometric cloud formations be connected to vortex activity—or something science has yet to identify?

Books - 
1. Bermuda Triangle Survivor: Pilot Tells What He Experienced in the Heart of the Phenomenon
2. Beyond the Bermuda Triangle: True Encounters with Electronic Fog, Missing Aircraft, and Time Warps By Bruce Gernon and Rob MacGregor

Website: Electronic Fog
YouTube: Beyond the Bermuda Triangle

Bruce’s experience was also featured in Ancient Aliens: Special Presentation, Season 1, Episode 8, “Energy Lines and Hotspots.”

The Nightlight: Thirty Years with a Non-Physical Intelligence
by W. S. Garrett
Kindle Edition and Paperback
Available August 1, 2026

I mentioned I was working on this and… after a few pauses, reconfigurations, and diversions… it is done.

This is not a complicated book. It is a continuation of the story I began in Talking to Nightlights — an update shaped by nearly three decades of experiences that have been extraordinary, challenging, funny, mysterious, and sometimes nearly impossible to put into words. I still can’t capture all of it. But this is one piece of the puzzle we are all working with.

Times change. Awareness evolves. Society shifts. Language changes with it. 
What we once called spirits, entities, UFOs, or something else entirely may now be described as non-physical intelligence, non-human intelligence, or UAP. And that makes me wonder about history. How often have people encountered something genuinely anomalous but interpreted it through the only language and worldview available to them at the time?

We may have been talking about the same mysteries for centuries—simply giving them different names.

My stories may resonate with others who have experienced things no one else would believe. Because the reality is: this stuff happens.

And sometimes, it is simply reassuring to discover that we are not alone in having experienced it—and that there is still an enormous encyclopedia of the unknown waiting to be explored. Each of us has our own reality to unwrap.

The nightlight was my invitation.
 Curiosity opened the door.

After having so many of these experiences it is easier to say, "Anything is possible."   

For decades the public conversation has largely asked: “Are UFOs real?”

Director Rhett McClure has a confession. He had his own UFO sighting when he was 13. And that made him curious. When he stumbled onto John's story, he wanted to know more. 

JOHN FOSTER: IDENTIFIED PHENOMENA is a documentary asking a more challenging question than whether UFOs are real. The question: What happens when a lifetime of documented experiences refuses to fit within our current understanding of science, consciousness, history, and human potential?

Foster recounts encounters involving windowed saucers, coffin-shaped craft, luminous atmospheric distortions, and entities that appeared capable of moving between realities. Speaking as both an experiencer and an engineer, he explains how he continually tested his own memories against verifiable facts, determined to understand what was happening rather than simply believe it.

Sometimes the greatest mystery isn’t what appears in the sky. It’s what quietly walks beside us for a lifetime.

JOHN FOSTER: IDENTIFIED PHENOMENA. Available on Youtube. 
Rhett McClure: https://www.vizzyness.com. Connect for Documentary Style Marketing for education, nonprofit, agriculture, and more.

- Over the years, I’ve had the privilege of corresponding with and interviewing John Foster on multiple occasions, so seeing his remarkable life story brought to the screen is especially gratifying. His story deserves a broader audience. Our conversations are in the archives.

John’s Website: Background, books, and drawings. https://johnfosterufos.com/
Image used with permission. Credit: John Foster