On DHHS and how the carceral system impacts families and parenting. With Kayla Kalel, a previously incarcerated person who is currently birthworker with low-income folks who self-identify as being in recovery or using substances, and Wendy Smith, Washington County Community College student, Me-Rap organizer, and naloxone distributor for Maine Access Points in long term recovery from substances and a resident at the Southern Maine Women's Re-entry Center. Moderated by Cait Vaughan, birthworker, childbirth educator, harm reduction organizer, and, with Kayla Kalel, co-founder of the Birth Justice Collective.