On this episode John Walker, IT Director at H&M Bay and Phil Howard discuss,

- Migrating to the Cloud because an executive leader read about it in Time magazine

- Some developers don't talk with you because you are so #$%ing dumb.

- Software Dev for the customer by the business

- Customizing Unix

- IT business leadership is not just what you are reading everywhere... it's much more than driving new revenue... it's more of a quadruple bypass