#5 Whether you are or aren’t a self-proclaimed Swiftie, Mindi & Kiki invite you to listen to this special episode. Taylor Swift is a household name in this “era” and has been a “holy ground” for many mothers and daughters & they’re “speaking now” from experience!

From reminiscing on her throwback songs to Mindi surprising Kiki with tickets to the Eras Tour to sharing their thoughts on Taylor and Travis’ new relationship (they’re all for it),

Taylor is “mom approved” and someone Kiki has always felt connected to. Mindi & Kiki talk about why they love and admire her as an artist, business woman, and human!

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