Hear Dan's lengthy chat with Wesley Schultz about the early days of The Lumineers (including a song from his pre-Lumineers band 6Cheek).

Amongst other things, they discuss maintaining a sense of wonder when creating, epic fails on stage, how adversity can be viewed as enriching your origin story, how constructive feedback can be painful but important as a young artist, Wesley's return to faith as an adult, his aversion to the term "work/life balance", and how powerful it can be to seek validation from your own gut rather than affirmation from the external world.

This episode features a surprise needle drop of "God Is" by The Secret Beach.