In this episode we sit down with curator Jackie Clay and artist Ayanna U’Dongo to discuss their recent show at Et al. 'brothers and sisters'. We discuss how Black Americans are portrayed in mainstream and homemade media, and giving oneself permission to make artwork that focuses solely on Black people. We also discuss Anita Hill, Vanessa Beecroft, Pam Grier, and soon-to-be-famous sci-fi protagonist Veyne SilverThigh.