In the aftermath of the violent shooting death of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, reactions have been mostly mournful, though a vocal minority has praised accused shooter Luigi Mangione as a hero, and the murder as justified. Jay Evensen, Opinion Editor of the Deseret News, joins Debby to talk about the not-new idea of praising vigilantism in America, and how to reform healthcare without violence. Debby takes calls from listeners, asking "what would you like to see change in healthcare?"