Industrial civilization is killing the planet, and it's not good for human beings either. But how can we live without it? We are dependent and addicted. In this episode of The Green Flame, we ask what comes after and speak with two people: Lierre Keith, author of The Vegetarian Myth, Deep Green Resistance, Bright Green Lies, and more; and Michel Jacobi, an ecologist working in western Ukraine to preserve and revive ancient pastoral traditions and the Carpathian water buffalo.

http://www.karpaten-bueffel.eu/en.html

http://www.lierrekeith.com/

Our song for this episode is "Wake Up Call" by Nicholas Tippins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eIzJHVDM1I