In Chapter 12 of Irreducible, Mark and Jeremy confront one of the book’s hardest ideas: that consciousness can’t be explained by equations or code.

They trace how probability, prediction, and mathematics fall short of describing a universe that is always becoming. Meaning comes before symbols, and knowing comes before measurement. If the physical world is only an average of quantum states, then comprehension itself is a creative act.

The discussion moves from the illusion of probability to the difference between simulation and emulation, asking what it really means to know. This is not a rejection of science, it’s a reminder that consciousness might be the missing variable.

The closer we get to defining reality, the less certain we are that it can ever be defined.

Please enjoy the show.

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Chapters

(00:00) Why consciousness vs physics matters

(02:15) “Becoming”: a universe that’s still unfolding

(03:03) What “live information” really means

(05:51) Probability isn't real

(07:43) Creativity & AI: making vs. remixing

(09:24) Meaning vs. syntax: why symbols alone aren’t enough

(17:13) Are you an Observer or actor? Your role in quantum reality

(21:55) Reverse engineering anxiety and happiness

(27:09) Flow state: the texture of the present

(31:05) Simulated minds vs. emulated minds

(32:12) Consider our minds blown.

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