My friend Jean talks about her relationship with religion and spirituality. We differentiate them both from each other and acknowledge that they are also embedded within one another. I go back-and-forth with her trying to understand more about her spiritual experiences and how they've shaped her life. We talk about the movie Midsommar, going to Church, performing rituals, and praying. Buzzsprout link: https://www.buzzsprout.com/?referrer_id=636505