In this episode, Dustin sits down with Pamela Barnum, a retired undercover police officer and federal prosecutor who now works as a professional speaker. Pamela’s experience working undercover forced her to become an expert at reading people— there’s no room for error when dealing with drug dealers. Now, she uses these techniques to help others lead wealthier lives. After all, the world is constantly changing at a rapid pace and it never hurts to have the skills to quickly read situations and adapt as necessary. Pamela’s unique insight is beneficial to business owners, entrepreneurs, spouses, parents, and anyone who would like to learn to be a better observer and communicator. 

Time Stamps 

3:00 - How Pamela learned to read people while working undercover  

4:20 - The incredible story of meeting her husband while undercover 

5:33 - Pamela’s career shift from policing to prosecution 

6:30 - The importance of reading people in business

10:10 - Why today’s economy requires us to be good at reading any situation

11:00 - How Pamela handled the negativity associated with her career 

16:00 - A gangster’s approach to wealth management 

20:00 - How budgets for policing affect undercover work 

23:48 - Pamela’s perspective on practicing empathy amongst spouses 

29:00 - What she’s reading now to gain motivation 

30:00 - How one book was the catalyst to huge success for Pamela 

35:15 - The challenges of imposter syndrome and how to overcome them 

37:20 - The best parenting decision you can make for your kids 

39:00 - A finance game that will teach adults and kids alike to be better with money

42:20 - Pamela shares her goals for growth in the next 10 years

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