What does trust look like in the criminal underworld? In this episode, John Livesay sits down with Pamela Barnum, who has been an undercover drug officer and a prosecuting attorney. She has an amazing story of how she met her husband while they were both undercovers, and we talk about what drug dealers taught her about trust. Pamela also shares strategies to improve trust and build rapport by looking at body language and other nonverbal communication techniques. Stay tuned!

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