Emme sits down with her first CISGENDERED MALE guest, Eric Wunsch, a stand-up guy who's dabbled in stand-up, had a career in theatre he left it for the physical world of farming -- which we get into the muddy transitional feelings of it all. Eric brings sensitivity, depth, curiosity, and enthusiasm to the question of "what even is masculinity?" and we sort of solve it. You know, by accepting it's the endlessly complex and uncertain thing all of this gender stuff is. Listen in.

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Special thanks to Timothy Bretschneider for composing and performing the music at the end of the show! check out shabby wings for more :-)