The great divide between nationalists and globalists is the political story of our times. But are they that far apart? "What would a united world look like other than people feeling, on a global level, something like what they do about their countrymen?" asks Hassan Damluji, deputy director at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and author of "The Responsible Globalist: What Citizens of the World Can Learn from Nationalism."

The nation was in fact one of humanity's most successful idea, he argues. To create a feeling of global citizenship, the same playbook applies. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/borderlinepod/message