In this episode, Katherine Turnoff talks with Meg Douglass, VP of Marketing at Tonal, about brand as a living conversation shaped by audience signals. They discuss real-time data, experimentation, community-driven momentum, and why some “rules” should be broken. 

Guest Quote:

“ One of my old coworkers said that brand is a shared hallucination between a customer and a business, and really brand is everything in that conversation. All of the experiences, all of the touchpoints and all of the signals that you're getting from your audience about that brand evolves over time because of the audience, because of the usage, because of the signals they're getting. Brand is data to some degree.”

 

 

Episode Breakdown:

[01:51] Alchemy Unveiled

Brand is a conversation: Meg shares why brand is shaped by audience signals across experiences and touchpoints — and how resonance and stickiness show up beyond traditional metrics.

[12:33] From Nuggets to Campaign Gold

Break the rules to break through: A logo-placement experiment challenges “best practices,” reinforcing that storytelling and judgment sometimes matter more than rigid frameworks.

[18:52] Gold Rush Round

Signals that matter: Meg shares what she’s learning from social communities, what she’d automate to free up brainpower, and what member language signals real brand health.

Links & Resources:

Connect with Katherine: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathrynturnoff/ 
Connect with Meg: [https://www.linkedin.com/in/megdouglass/ 
Learn more about Tonal: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tonal-strong/

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