What if we’ve misunderstood the mission? What if the Church’s calling isn’t to build an earthly utopia—but to be faithful witnesses on our way home?

In this episode, we challenge the idea that Christians are here to conquer culture or establish dominion. Instead, we explore the radical, upside-down way of Jesus: carrying the cross, revealing a heavenly kingdom, and extending grace in a broken world.

Jesus didn’t try to overthrow governments—He transformed hearts. He didn’t campaign for power—He walked among the outcasts, spoke truth, and offered eternal hope. Maybe we’re called to do the same.

This conversation re-centers us on what really matters: making disciples, not building empires… pointing people to a kingdom that cannot be shaken.