In today’s episode, Jordan is joined by former Black Lives Matter activist-turned-conservative Republican and social media personality, Xaviaer DuRousseau. Xaviaer works with Prager University, is a member of the Republican National Committee's Youth Advisory Council, and is a frequent contributor to FOX News, FOX Business, Piers Morgan, and Newsmax. 

The pair discuss Xaviaer’s ideological shift, how Nicki Minaj and Cardi B’s feud led to his support for Donald Trump, how the Democratic Party is failing, seeking more diversity in the Republican Party, Xaviaer’s 2028 Republican primary favorites, and more.

Here’s where you can find Xaviaer:

Website: https://xaviaer.com/ 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/xaviaer/?hl=en 

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@xaviaer?lang=en 

About five minutes into the conversation, Xaviaer said that “only” between 12-20 unarmed Black people are killed per year by the police. Though this number appears correct per multiple sources, Jordan wanted to note that while Black people comprise 34% of unarmed civilian deaths at the hands of police officers, only 14% of the U.S. population is Black. In other words, unarmed Black people die disproportionately at the hands of police when compared to other unarmed populations. For more information about racial disparities in police use of force, please visit the below resources:

Police Shootings Database 2015 - 2024. The Washington Post. 

“Fatal Police Shootings and Race: A Review of the Evidence and Suggestions for Future Research” Manhattan Institute.

https://policingequity.org/ 

Do you have questions, suggestions, or recommendations for the podcast? You can contact Jordan at [email protected], or at his Instagram handle, @jordancbrown. 

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Jordan is delighted to be joined by the Mayor of Oklahoma City, Dean of the Oklahoma City School of Law, and incoming President of the United States Conference of Mayors, David Holt. 

Jordan and Mayor Holt cover a lot of ground in this interview, discussing why city hall is the most exciting and effective venue for policy conversation in this country; Mayor Holt’s 3 C’s for virtuous leadership in government; the intricacies of open primaries and alternative voting systems; and, how national politics appear in the local arena. 

Here’s where you can find Mayor Holt: 

Website: https://www.okc.gov/government/mayor 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mayordavidholt/?hl=en 

X: https://x.com/davidfholt?lang=en 

During the conversation, Mayor Holt referenced his piece in the Philadelphia Citizen, titled, “A Republican Mayor’s Unexpected Presidential Vote.” Later in the interview, Jordan also referenced Benjamin Barber’s “If Mayors Ruled the World: Dysfunctional Nations, Rising Cities.”

Do you have questions, suggestions, or recommendations for the podcast? You can contact Jordan at [email protected], or at his Instagram handle, @jordancbrown. 

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In today’s episode, Jordan is delighted to talk with conservative political commentator, weekly Washington Examiner contributor, and new friend, Elisha Krauss. 

The pair examine the evolution of her former “Never Trump” beliefs, to what extent we are in a constitutional crisis, what makes Elisha a self-described “conservative feminist,” and abortion rights in a post-Dobbs world.

Here’s where you can find Elisha: 

Website: https://elishakrauss.com/ 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elishakrauss/ 

X: https://x.com/elishakrauss?lang=en 

During the interview, Elisha mentioned SoLo Funds, a community finance solution for people in crisis. SoLo can be found at their website here: http://Solofunds.com.

Do you have questions, suggestions, or recommendations for the podcast? You can contact Jordan at [email protected], or at his Instagram handle, @jordancbrown. 

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Jordan is joined by criminal justice advocate, law school graduate, Peabody-nominated podcast host, author, journalist, and long-time friend, Josie Duffy Rice – a true multi-hyphenate if there ever were one. 

Together, they navigate the nuances of redemption, what criminal justice reform may look like under the second Trump administration, the complex decisions involved in choosing to migrate, and approaching diverse political conversations with empathy and understanding.

Here’s where you can find Josie: 

Website: https://www.josieduffyrice.com/ 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jduffyrice/?hl=en 

Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/jduffyrice.bsky.social 

Toward the end of the interview, Jordan referenced “The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness” by Michelle Alexander. 

Do you have questions, suggestions, or recommendations for the podcast? You can contact Jordan at [email protected], or at his Instagram handle, @jordancbrown. 

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In the first listener questions episode of the series, Jordan recaps the first three episodes, answer listener questions, and describes a time he has asked himself, "What If You're Wrong?".

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In today’s episode, Jordan is excited to speak with infectious disease epidemiologist, award-winning science communicator, and proud mama of three children, Jessica Malaty Rivera. Jessica’s passion for being a responsible, critical consumer of scientific information, becoming more media literate in an “infodemic”, and dispelling dangerous lies about vaccination and food safety drive the conversation. Now, more than ever, we must learn how to tell fact from fiction to make informed decisions in our lives, and Jessica equips us with the tools to do so while wading through the noise. We hope you enjoy Episode 3. 

Here’s where you can find Jessica: 

Substack: https://makingsciencemakesense.substack.com/ 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessicamalatyrivera/?hl=en 

Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:sni5r2zbg4co3vgvfleippf5 

Threads: https://www.threads.net/@jessicamalatyrivera 

Toward the end of the interview, Jessica referenced “How Charts Lie” by Alberto Cairo.

Do you have questions, suggestions, or recommendations for the podcast? You can contact Jordan at [email protected], or at his Instagram handle, @jordancbrown. 

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Jordan is honored to be joined by proud Delawarean and freshman U.S. Congresswoman Sarah McBride. In this week’s episode, they discuss a wide range of topics, including: how working across the aisle is essential, especially in the halls of Congress; what tools are at the Democrats’ disposal despite being this term’s minority party; identity, and the reality-show tactics employed by Republicans to receive attention; the unlikely friendships Congresswoman McBride has made in her short time in the House; and much more. 

Do you have questions, suggestions, or recommendations for the podcast? You can contact Jordan at [email protected], or at his Instagram handle, @jordancbrown. 

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In the inaugural episode of What If You’re Wrong?, Jordan is joined by his long-time friend and New York Times best-selling author, Jedidiah Jenkins. Together, they discuss Jed’s eight-week retreat from social media and political life into a remote Colorado mountain town during the final stretch of the 2024 election cycle; how today’s social media landscape has shaped our collective and individual approaches to politics and personal relationships; Jed’s belief that we are in “precedented times” and finding solace by reading history; and, how to prioritize mental health and clarity in this trying (yet precedented!) climate. 

Jedidiah’s recommendations for reading and viewing:

Here’s where you can find Jedidiah: 

Website: https://www.jedidiahjenkins.com/ 

Substack: https://jedidiahjenkins.substack.com/ 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jedidiahjenkins/?hl=en 

Do you have questions, suggestions, or recommendations for the podcast? You can contact Jordan at [email protected], or at his Instagram handle, @jordancbrown. 

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