This week’s episode takes a little detour. Vern is away while his son recovers in the hospital, so Josh is joined by longtime friend Bob for a discussion that always sparks a holiday debate: what actually makes a Christmas movie a Christmas movie?

They dive into Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Gremlins, Batman Returns, Iron Man 3, Edward Scissorhands, and even the curveballs people insist belong on “non-traditional Christmas movie” lists. Along the way, they break down which stories truly rely on the holiday and which ones just happen to be set in December.

It’s a fun conversation, a little nostalgic, and packed with movie talk that’ll either settle the argument once and for all or send you back to the comments ready to defend your favorites.

Vern should be back next week as the Star Wars series picks up again with The Phantom Menace.