First, Dan talks about how chronic illness makes him care too much about TV. But what's really important is that he then talks to musical theater writer Michael R. Jackson about Michael's upcoming show "A Strange Loop," which starts previews at Playwrights Horizons on May 24th, 2019. They talk about the 16-year evolution of the piece, "what it's like to be a self in general, and what it's like to be a Black queer self in particular," and Tori Amos.

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