Episode 14 - Recorded 06/08/2025

The story of leaving the garden never really ended... it just changed forms. We still reach for knowledge over wisdom, control over communion, self-importance over surrender. This conversation moves through the many ways that fall continues: in science, in religion, in our own restless minds. Yet through the inversion runs a thread of mercy, and the possibility that even our confusion is the path back home. Beneath the calm surface of life, unseen currents shape everything we believe we control. This conversation traces those hidden movements—how the human mind turns faith into fear, science into certainty, and love into something to earn.