In this episode of the Modern Web Podcast, Rob Ocel and Danny Thompson talk with Corbin Crutchley — founder of Playful Programming, Microsoft MVP, GitHub Star, and maintainer of multiple TanStack libraries including TanStack Form, Store, and Config.They dive into Corbin’s work maintaining open source at scale, what makes TanStack Form different (and a bit esoteric), and why the design decisions behind it matter, especially for enterprise teams. They also unpack the tradeoffs of abstraction, type safety in large-scale apps, and best practices for migrating form logic.Later in the episode, the conversation shifts to Corbin’s nonprofit and developer education philosophy: why Playful Programming focuses on deep conceptual understanding over task-based tutorials, how AI is changing how people learn, and what’s next for guiding developers from beginner to intermediate and beyond.Key points from this episode:– Corbin explains how TanStack Form’s architecture, though verbose and esoteric, enables strong type safety, SSR support, and integration with modern frameworks like Next.js and Remix.– The group discusses common pain points in migrating from other form libraries, especially around type inference and validation layers, and how TanStack Form encourages a clean separation of concerns.– Maintaining open source at scale requires balancing community feedback with a strong guiding philosophy; Corbin highlights the importance of civility and staying true to the project’s design principles.– Playful Programming focuses on deep, conceptual education over task-based tutorials, aiming to help learners move from beginner to intermediate with free, accessible content and personalized learning in the future.Chapters0:00 – Why TanStack Form Is Built This Way1:06 – Meet Corbin Crutchley and the TanStack Ecosystem3:34 – How Corbin Joined and Shaped TanStack Form6:17 – Why Use TanStack Form (Despite the Verbosity)10:28 – Type Safety, Generics, and Enterprise-Ready Patterns14:50 – Validation Best Practices and SSR Integration18:45 – Handling Feedback in Open Source21:22 – Playful Programming: Teaching Concepts Over Tasks27:33 – Bridging the Developer Education Gap35:54 – Is It Still Worth Learning Programming?38:25 – The Evolving Role of Developers and Soft Skills41:57 – Wrap-Up and Where to Connect OnlineFollow Corbin Crutchley on Social MediaLinkedin:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/corbincrutchleyX/Twitter: https://x.com/crutchcornSponsored by This Dot: thisdot.co