What makes Cloud First development so prevalent? If it's not the new hotness, why is it still how we get things done  when deploying apps? And where does Kubernetes and Docker fit in to all of this?

In this episode, PJ sits down with Cloud Native Engineer and founder of CloudSpeakers.dev, James D Bohrman to talk Cloud's past, present, and future.

And to hear more about the present, we are joined by Ben Lloyd Pearson with his most recent Open Source News update!