Trump’s opponents keep talking about restoring what he’s broken—but Adam Gurry, publisher of Liberal Currents, joins the show to argue that going back to normal isn’t enough. We discuss the Reconstruction Papers, a collection of essays laying out a post-Trump policy vision across immigration, higher education, foreign policy, and more. We talk about why the pre-Trump status quo had its own serious problems, what liberals can learn from both the successes and failures of Reconstruction after the Civil War, and how a small publication is trying to shift the Democratic Party’s intellectual direction from the outside.

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