We talk with Lara Kilani and Cody O'Rourke from Good Shepherd Collective on futures of Palestine, liberation vs. integration, "anti-Zionist" Jewish organizations and their funding, and more.

Our discussion is based on Lara's recent article titled "Liberation Is Not Integration: On liberal Zionism, one-state fantasies, and what Palestinians actually want". You can read it on Mondoweiss and the collective's substack The Call.

Some other publications referred to during the discussion:

- US NGOs and the Nonprofit Industrial Complex

- Kings of Famine - about the Palestinian businesses profiting from Israel’s siege on Gaza

- Interview with Bilal al-Hassan at Electronic Intifada

- Guide for Jewish Anti-Zionist Allyship, Em Cohen and GSC

The Good Shepherd Collective is an anti-zionist, anti-colonial and anti-capitalist Palestine advocacy organisation based in West Bank, Occupied Palestine.

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