In this episode of The Friary, Brother Jay sits down with who friends Saxon and Dave for a brave, unguarded conversation about faith, loss, integrity, and the cost of staying when staying no longer feels honest.

This is not a debate.It is not a deconstruction spectacle.And it is not an attempt to pull anyone back.

It is a listening practice.

Together, we explore what pushed them away, what the Church misunderstood, what grief still lingers, and what kind of repentance and change might make faith communities safer, humbler, and more trustworthy in the future.

If you are still in the Church, this episode invites you to listen without defensiveness. If you have left, it offers language for grief without bitterness. If you are somewhere in between, you are not alone.

Pull up a chair.The door is open.