Exploring Exile

What the World Needs Now: A Non-Anxious Presence with Wayne Schmidt


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"One of the staple axioms of change theory is that you cannot have new levels of change and maintain previous levels of control."

Join me for a rich conversation with Dr. Wayne Schmidt, centered on Mark Sayer's recent work A Non-Anxious Presence.

Wayne has been the General Superintendent of the Wesleyan Church since 2016. Prior to that he served as the Chief Administrative Officer of Wesley Seminary.  And even further back, Wayne was the senior pastor of Kentwood Community Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan for 30 years. But more than all of that, I believe Wayne is a man that embodies what being a non-anxious presence looks like in every day life and leadership.


Find more of Wayne's writings, including the book Surrender mentioned in this episode on his Amazon author page.

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