On their popular podcast "By The Book", Jolenta Greenberg and Kristen Meinzer live by the rules of a different self-help book every episode to figure what works and what fails. Now they have a new book called How To Be Fine that distills 50 lessons they've learned from their research. They talk to me about how their show has impacted their lives, the worst self-help books ever, and some of the good advice they're following during the coronavirus crisis.