How do you get kids to smile (nicely) for photos – you know, instead of pulling a weird fake grimace? Estelle has found a great trick to try for your next family photo shoot.

Deva Mahal is a Hawaii-born / Wellington-based soul and RnB powerhouse, she's headlining WOMAD 2023, and she joins us for a great chat.

Finally, Estelle is joined by our resident web-movie-tv expert Rach, to talk about 'Don Worry Darling'.

Estelle's filling in for Megan Papas, enjoy the show!

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