Becoming isn’t clean. It isn’t efficient. It isn’t the neat “before and after” story we love to celebrate. Real transformation feels more like the caterpillar dissolving into goo—messy, disorienting, unrecognizable. In this episode, we dive into the holy chaos of change: the wilderness seasons of the Bible, the pressure of tidy cultural narratives, the paradox of loss and growth, and the wisdom of nature itself. From forest fires to compost piles, from Jonah in the fish to Jesus in the tomb, the path of becoming is always messy before it’s beautiful. With honesty, story, and wonder, we’ll wrestle with what it means to sit in the in-between, to see endings as fertile soil, and to discover God not beyond the chaos but right in the middle of it.

Because the holy mess isn’t what you escape—it’s where the miracle is born.