Cecilio and Carlos sit down for the very first episode of Ile to Ile — an honest conversation between two Olorishas from different generations, different experiences, and different houses.

This isn’t a class. It isn’t dogma. And it definitely isn’t gatekeeping.

In this episode, they discuss:

• Growing up inside the tradition vs discovering it later in life
• What they thought they knew before initiation
• The realities of making Ocha
• How Lucumí traditions have evolved over time
• Community, discipline, and spiritual responsibility
• The difference between tradition and performance
• Why unlearning can be just as important as learning

From basement ceremonies in New York to modern-day spiritual culture online, this conversation explores the beauty, contradictions, and humanity within the faith.

Whether you’re deeply involved, just beginning your journey, or simply curious — welcome.

What did YOU have to unlearn? Let us know in the comments.