On this segment of By Any Means Necessary Eugene and Sean are joined by author Marcel Cartier to discuss his new book Serkeftin: A Narrative of the Rojava Revolution. The trio discuss Cartier's on the ground view of the YPG/YPJ fight against ISIS, the politics of the group and the possibilities of rapprochement between the Syrian government and the Syrian Democratic Forces. Cartier also discusses the social and economic situation on the ground in Kurdish controlled areas and the human toll of the war against ISIS.