<p>Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer sit down with Democratic Whip Katherine Clark to unpack Democrats’ strategy through the shutdown. Then Geoff Bennett and Julie Tsirkin join for analysis — and a fresh round of That’s Not Gonna Fly.</p>

Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer sit down with Democratic Whip Katherine Clark to unpack Democrats’ strategy through the shutdown. Then Geoff Bennett and Julie Tsirkin join for analysis — and a fresh round of That’s Not Gonna Fly.

What's Next In Shutdown Standoff?: No. 2 Dem On Their Strategy

Fly Out Day lands every Thursday evening with a front-row seat to the chaos and conversations behind Capitol Hill’s final countdown of the week. Hosts Anna Palmer and Jake Sherman — Punchbowl News founders and best-selling authors — deliver unfiltered insight into key players and high-stakes drama shaping Washington’s most consequential day. Power. People. Politics. All before the weekend scramble.

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What's Next In Shutdown Standoff?: No. 2 Dem On Their Strategy

What's Next In Shutdown Standoff?: No. 2 Dem On Their Strategy