Can you build a meaningful career in the arts and still be practical?

In this episode of What’s Next with Dr Jo, I’m joined by acclaimed author Hayley Scrivenor for a thoughtful and honest conversation about pursuing creative work while building a sustainable career and a full life beyond it.

We unpack the myth that careers in the arts are unrealistic, and instead explore what it actually looks like to take your creative practice seriously, without putting everything else at risk.

Hayley shares practical insights on:

• Building a Plan B alongside your artistic career
• Developing skills that support creative work over time
• Staying authentic in your voice and career choices
• Navigating uncertainty in creative industries
• Why your career should be part of your life: not your whole identity

This conversation is for anyone who has ever been told their passion isn’t practical — and for educators, parents, and young people thinking differently about what meaningful careers can look like.

Because creative careers aren’t just possible, they’re powerful, purposeful, and often built in beautifully unconventional ways.

🎧 Listen now to hear how authenticity, creativity, and practical planning can exist side by side.