Rex sits down with Brett, founder of Micro, for a wide-ranging conversation about what changed once AI stopped feeling like a chatbot and started feeling like a real tool for building. They talk about Claude Code, the shift from traditional software workflows to agent-driven ones, and why AI is not just making people faster but giving them capabilities they simply did not have before.

Along the way, they get into startup defensibility, memory as the missing layer in AI systems, the limits of chat-based interfaces, and the strange philosophical territory that opens up once models start to feel less like software and more like something new. It is a conversation about productivity, agency, consciousness, and why this moment feels both disorienting and full of possibility.