In this episode I talk with Al Kingsley, who has many hats as discussed in the episode but has been described as “ a pioneer in transforming school learning", "a champion of the small fish with a huge global impact" and quite simply " The nicest man in EdTech.” which must be why he's the first guest to make a second appearance on my podcasts.

We talk experiences, edtech, governance and access in this episode, with miraculously only one minor interruption from the canine world.

Al also has a new book on the way, available to pre-order: The School and MAT Growth Guide