Episode 0028 was not the first time we talked about Jewel with Carol Cleveland Sings. No, a few weeks earlier we did an entire episode that was instantaneously vaporized by the fickle whim of a cruel MacBook. So later than night, after CCS and Rick departed, Pat and Rory sat down to talk about their abject devastation. This is the curious result. They talk about Jewel, love's bitter mystery, and Dayton, Ohio legends Guided By Voices. Quite a lot about Guided by Voices, as it turns out. So I hope you like Guided By Voices.