This wonderful episode was recorded over a year ago with the legendary Rob Campbell, CSO at Colenso in Auckland. Rachel and Shann were planning to publish this as part of a last series of guests, but for a variety of reasons couldn't get to it.

Together with Rob, they explore what satiety can look and feel like in a project (or your career). It ventures into some very personal stories for our guest, and shares what three old sods have experienced working in advertising - whether they still have the drive for it or not.

Today, we're delighted to publish this last episode in the Rachel Mercer era, before we start a new chapter with the amazing Lynette Wong, who will start as co-host for the podcast starting next week!