In Episode 10, Toni and Hettie explore the complex and often surprising experience of joy after loss. What happens when happiness no longer feels natural? When laughter feels distant, or even undeserved?

This conversation dives into the emotional tension between grief and healing where moments of joy can feel unfamiliar, guarded, or even like a betrayal. Together, they unpack the fear of opening up again, the sense of watching life from the outside, and the slow, personal journey back toward feeling fully alive.

If you’ve ever questioned your ability to feel joy again, this episode offers reassurance that you’re not alone and that joy, even when unfamiliar, can find its way back.