Before the partnerships, before the regular appearances, before everything clicked… there was this conversation. This episode is the very first time Lee and Ollie ever spoke. Recorded casually, slightly awkwardly, and with a couple of beers in the mix, it became the moment both realised they were completely on the same wavelength. What starts as a UFO discussion quickly drifts into the strange drama of the disclosure scene: hoaxes, cults of personality, documentaries, monetised mysticism, and the blurry line between genuine belief and grift. From Stephen Greer’s emotional breakdowns to To The Stars Academy, mummified “alien” fetuses, and why so many figures only emerge when there’s a book to sell. It’s raw, honest, funny, and unpolished. Not a retrospective. Not a reunion. Just the moment two paths quietly intersected… and never really separated again. If you’re interested in UFOs, the personalities behind the phenomenon, or how creative partnerships are born by accident, this one matters. Grab a drink. Settle in. This is where it started.

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