We love our animals. But is that enough?

Captive animal welfare specialist Georgina Groves joins Karen and Meta for a conversation about the uncomfortable gap between what we know about animal welfare and what we actually do.

Georgina's work takes her into some of the world's most under-resourced zoos — but the parallels she draws for horse people are striking. Stables that haven't meaningfully changed in a century. Animals who've forgotten how to be their own species. A health-centric idea of care that protects the body while quietly constraining the life.

This is an episode about welfare washing, moral duty, and the difference between caring for an animal and caring about one.

Featuring the story of four bears who had to relearn how to be bears — and what that might mean for the horses in our care.

🎧 Listen in, then join the conversation.

Guest: Georgina Groves, captive animal welfare specialist and co-founder of Wild Welfare

Hosts: Dr Karen Luke and Meta Osborne

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