On this week’s episode, I’m joined by artist Lee Putman. We go from his Sundays spent with his Nan and Grandad—reading nature books and exploring the woods behind their house—to building @factsandfineliners, where he explores the beauty and tension in our relationship with animals through his art.

He shares how he navigates the contradictions in that relationship—caring deeply about animal welfare while recognising the ways we benefit from them—and why the answers aren’t always clean. Through his work and short films, he opens up those questions, inviting us to sit with the discomfort and think a little deeper about the lives we’re part of.

Production & Editing by Rutendo Shackleton

Audio by Izwi Wazara