After their conversation with Dr. Che “Rhymefest” Smith, Amber and Tom return to a provocative line attributed to Quincy Jones: “When money walks in the room, God walks out.” Is that true – or does money simply expose what already has our attention?

Drawing on listener responses, spiritual traditions, and pop-culture moments like We Are the World and “Man in the Mirror,” they explore whether money is a rival to faith or just a tool – and why the real question may be what sits at the center of our lives.

They consider real-world dilemmas: what do you do when funding threatens to soften your message? How do you use influence without losing integrity? And how might  PEMDAS (that’s right: Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally) provide us with a roadmap?

It’s a thoughtful, wide-ranging conversation about money, power, and the courage it takes to keep meaning at the center – especially when the stakes get high, and the commas increase.

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