Through his books and podcasts, constitutional law professor Corey Brettschneider has been a keen observer of how presidents can overturn constitutional safeguards — and how citizens can work together to restore them.

I asked Corey where we are on a scale from 1 to 10, with 1 being a normal U.S. government, 5 representing a constitutional crisis and 10 being the end of democracy. His answer: we’re between a 7 and an 8 — in grave danger of losing our 250-year-old democratic form of government. I hope you will listen to our conversation.

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