In many refugee crises, there is a clear divide between victims of the crisis and the humanitarian staff who help them. But in Ukraine, that line is blurred and many of the aid workers who work with the country’s enormous displaced population have themselves been uprooted by the conflict.

In this episode of Crossing Borders, HIAS’ podcast about what it’s like to be a refugee, we hear from some of these humanitarian agency workers and how they have been helping despite contending with aerial bombardment, infrastructure destruction, and freezing weather.