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When Shift Hits the Fan: Leading with Love When Rulebooks Collide


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In this first When Shift Hits the Fan minisode, we step into a real coaching conversation with Pam, a volunteer leader in her church who oversees the children’s program. She’s wrestling with the tension between her vision of fun and love for the kids—and another leader whose serious, rigid style seems to be draining the joy out of the experience.

It’s a classic moment where expectations and “rulebooks” don’t match, and the question becomes: How do you stay centered in love when someone else’s choices don’t align with yours?

💡 What You’ll Hear:

  • Why our “rulebooks” (the way we think things should be) often create more stress than the circumstance itself

  • How your thoughts and feelings influence your experience—but never directly control someone else’s

  • The difference between stewardship and control, and how to lead with grace without being jerked around by others’ actions

  • A simple “ladder thought” practice to generate genuine love, even in moments of frustration



👉 This episode is short, real, and packed with practical insight you can use in any leadership role—whether you’re guiding a team, serving in your community, or parenting at home.

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The Shift 5 PodcastBy Chase Thornock