We sat down with Athena Dean Holtz for a conversation about something most women don't talk about enough — the decisions we make when we're hurting.

The ones that make sense at the time. The ones that cost us later. And the moment when you finally see the pattern and realize you can't keep doing it the same way.

We talk about wounded decision making, how women self-medicate with work, and what it actually takes to slow down long enough to recognize what's driving your choices. We also get into forgiveness, the difference between healing old wounds and living through current ones, and what real transformation looks like from the inside.

If you've ever looked back and thought, why did I choose that, this conversation will land.

And also this: you don't have to untangle it all on your own.

There is something powerful about stepping out of your day-to-day life and into a room with women who are doing this work too. Women who are honest, self-aware, and ready for something different:

Join Lisa and Kari at the next Best Chapter Yet Retreat, September 18–20 in Portland, Oregon. Spots are filling — learn more:https://www.eventcreate.com/e/bestchapteryetfall2026

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