We wrap up this conversation with Pastor Will Robertson — author of 20 True Things and the When We Listen series — as he joined me on the podcast. Will’s a gentle soul with a steady conviction, the kind of pastor who listens before he speaks and points you back to Jesus without theatrics.

Across these two episodes, we dig into what it actually looks like to hear God in a chaotic world, how Christians can move past surface-level faith, and why truth still matters even when culture tries to blur it. Will brings clarity, humility, and the kind of wisdom that sneaks up on you and sticks.

His website is linked in the show notes. Go check him out and explore his books — they’re worth your time.

https://www.amazon.com/20-True-Things-William-Robertson/dp/B0DQBSYSWD

https://whenwelisten.net/