Sometimes the hardest part of work isn't the work itself.

In this deeply personal episode, Denise and Tim reflect on the jobs that pushed them to their limits, the leaders who failed them, and the moments when work began to shape not just their careers, but their sense of identity.

Together they explore fear, burnout, leadership, military transition, education, and the importance of creating workplaces where people are seen as human beings first.

This week's question: Who helped you become the person you are at work—and what kind of workplace do you hope to create for others?

Content Note: This episode includes a conversation about suicidal thoughts, burnout, and workplace trauma. Please take care while listening.

If you or someone you know is struggling, help is available. In the U.S., call or text 988 to reach the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. You can also visit 988lifeline.org for confidential support.