This episode includes two guests, Peter Frumhoff, a climate scientist and ecologist, and Cabell Eames, an environmental policy advocate and strategist. The topic for discussion this time is around climate change, the reality of where we sit, and the efforts that need to be done with both climate mitigation and climate resilience.

They unpack the hard math of net zero, the global emissions split between developed and developing nations, and why warming will continue for decades even as cleaner tech scales. The conversation leads to a case for a both-and strategy: aggressive mitigation and urgent, practical resilience that protects people where they live.

For more information on Will and to share your thoughts, please head over to willbrownsberger.com. 

Find more information about Cabell and her work at castlingstrategies.com. 

Find more information about Peter and his work at woodwellclimate.org/staff/peter-frumhoff/.