Frank R. Zindler is a prominent American atheist who served as interim president of the atheist organization American Atheists in 2008. Zindler has been a biology, psychobiology and geology professor for many years. Zindler is the editor of American Atheist Magazine and Director of American Atheists Press. Frank joins us and discusses his relationship with Madalyn Murray O'Hair and his involvement with the foundation of the American Atheists organization. He also explains how Madalyn first introduced him to the mythicist position and the value that he feels this area of study brings to the atheist movement.